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>>hhs+(OP)
In my city we have seen several peaceful protesters (some quite some distance away from police) be nearly killed by less lethal ammunition. Being hit in the head or neck by a rubber bullet will drop a person to the ground unconscious instantly. This means they can even hit their head again against pavement. Nobody has died yet, but they are clearly extremely dangerous.

We have also seen the use of tear gas. I don't want the police to hurt anyone, but I haven't seen any long term damage from its use.

If police are going to use force, from what I have seen, tear gas is less dangerous. It is still awful. I'd rather it not be used, but I just wanted to share what I've seen.

>>montec+M6
Police appear to be misusing rubber bullets, possibly on purpose.

Rubber bullets are supposed to be fired at shin height, to achieve the appropriate mix of pain and risk reduction. They’re not zero risk because of ricochets, but flat, low trajectories help. It should go without saying that they should only be used when necessary, but if they must be used there is a way it should be done.

The number of people being struck in the chest and head by rubber bullets implies that the cops are aiming for the head, a gross abuse of force if true.

>>ashton+A7
There are multiple videos of cops aiming and firing directly at the face and head, sometimes only a few feet away. It's terrifying and disheartening.

>>brende+i8
I feel like rubber bullets should be serialized, so you can know who fired it. It shouldn’t be too hard, they’re both extremely large and consumed in relatively small quantities.

>>ashton+R8
How would you find a specific bullet, though? It doesn't usually get lodged.

>>Stavro+3b
Lots of rubber bullets are big, roughly the size of a soda can. They aren’t too hard to locate and keep.

It’s only the less effective shot shells that are more likely to bounce around and be hard to track.

>>ashton+8e
Oh, huh, I thought they were paintball-sized.

>>Stavro+ze
Yep they come in a handful of sizes. The more common size for these protests seem to be around 2 inches in diameter.

To put that in perspective, try to make the largest circle you can make with your index and thumb (think OK symbol shape). That's more or less the shape of these things and they are effectively a thin layer of rubber with a solid steel core. The inside of your finger circle is the steel and the thickness of your fingers is the rubber.

Hope this helps.

>>jacobl+dl
It does help, thanks, and it's also terrible, because it sounds like the police would think "oh it's fine, these things aren't lethal" and then shoot people willy-nilly with what are basically big steel cylinders.