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1. Burnin+2v[view] [source] 2020-06-01 18:19:23
>>mnm1+(OP)
Just so we know what we're talking about, here is a description of the 13 Qualified Immunity cases that may get to the Supreme Court soon.

https://www.cato.org/blog/may-15th-supreme-court-will-finall...

Sample:

Jessop v. City of Fresno. In this case, the Ninth Circuit granted immunity to police officers who stole over $225,000 in cash and rare coins in the course of executing a search warrant. The court noted that while “the theft [of] personal property by police officers sworn to uphold the law” may be “morally wrong,” the officers could not be sued for the theft because the Ninth Circuit had never issued a decision specifically involving the question of “whether the theft of property covered by the terms of a search warrant, and seized pursuant to that warrant, violates the Fourth Amendment.”

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2. abduhl+5w[view] [source] 2020-06-01 18:25:16
>>Burnin+2v
If Congress is considering legislation to change QI then the Supreme Court has little reason to take up these cases. SCOTUS should stay silent when the legislative branch is at work to correct something that was a judicial creation or when it looks like Congress intends to legislate in an issue.

Edit: I will just reply to all of the comments downthread at once because they all seem to urge the same thing. SCOTUS has no incentive to act when the legislative branch is doing something that could easily overturn or not align with their decision, which would render their decision moot. A law that Congress passes overrules any and all SCOTUS precedent on the issue because Congress "legislates against the backdrop of the common law." Further, Congress has the ability to move much faster than SCOTUS: a bill could be passed on less than a month in Congress while it will take at least a year for SCOTUS to reach a decision.

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3. bobbyd+QV[view] [source] 2020-06-01 20:37:53
>>abduhl+5w
You misunderstand the law completely in your comment and your edit. Congress (with good reason) doesn't get to shape the boundaries of constitutional law (for example the doctrine of qualified immunity we're discussing here).

That is specifically and only in the hands of the court, unless you want to amend the constitution.

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4. abduhl+G41[view] [source] 2020-06-01 21:24:01
>>bobbyd+QV
Sorry, but you are the one who completely misunderstands the law and the USA's system of government. Congress is the ONLY branch of the government which gets to shape the boundaries of constitutional law. You say it yourself in your second paragraph: Congress has plenary power to shape the boundaries of constitutional law via amendments. The judiciary only has power when the legislature has not spoken, and that power should, theoretically, be constrained to mapping the smallest contours of the constitution because delineating the shape of the boundary is Congress's domain (some would say it is their most important duty, which they have neglected for the past half century).
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5. bobbyd+F91[view] [source] 2020-06-01 21:48:23
>>abduhl+G41
No, I'm sorry, because you are the one who complete misunderstands the law and the US system of government.

>Congress is the ONLY branch of the government which gets to shape the boundaries of constitutional law.

Yeah, no. Not even close. Are you familiar with Miranda, Brown v. Board, Obergefell and dozens or hundreds of others? These are all the supreme court shaping the boundaries of constitutional law. Congress has zero power to intefere here. If Congress passed a law trying to outlaw gay marriage tomorrow, it would be unconstitutional and unenforceable immediately.

You say it yourself in your second paragraph: Congress has plenary power to shape the boundaries of constitutional law via amendments.

No, I didn't say that. Congress does not have "plenary power" (not a single actor in US government has plenary power). Constitutional amendments require approval by states, so if you think I was saying congress had plenary power over anything, you misread.

>he judiciary only has power when the legislature has not spoken, and that power should, theoretically, be constrained to mapping the smallest contours of the constitution because delineating the shape of the boundary is Congress's domain (some would say it is their most important duty, which they have neglected for the past half century).

Not true at all. The Supreme Court can rule any legislative act of congress unconstitutional. Congress can make whatever law it wants and Scotus can say "nope". I love that someone who doesn't know about Marbury v. Madison is attempting to lecture me on constitutional law.

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