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1. comman+9m[view] [source] 2020-06-01 17:39:51
>>mnm1+(OP)
I'm curious - it's obvious what abuses of qualified immunity are driving this, but the law must have been originally put in place for a reason. Are there any examples where a police officer was shielded from prosecution for something that, if you or I did it would definitely be a crime, but that a reasonable person would say, "yes, this is a good application of qualified immunity"?
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2. quickp+nv[view] [source] 2020-06-01 18:21:01
>>comman+9m
As others have said, it actually wasn't a law that was put in place -- it's court-created.

Qualified Immunity says that an officer can't be sued for violating civil rights (Section 1983) unless it was clear at the time of the action that it was in violation of the law. It has nothing to do with criminal liability in the event the officer commits a crime; it's a restriction on the civil side.

There is a grain of good policy here, becuase if there is a lawsuit which plantiff is inevitably going to lose, having a clear rule that stops the lawsuit before discovery saves serious time and money.

There are two independent problems with it, though:

1. A judge who just doesn't like 1983 lawsuits can always find a trivial manner to distinguish the case from existing precedent; e.g. distinctions-without-differences like "the court has ruled you can't detain someone for 72 hours without access to water but the plantiff was only detained for 70."

2. There is no incentive for anyone to be the first mover to file a lawsuit against any particular practice since the first mover will lose on qualified immunity grounds.

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3. egilli+0x[view] [source] 2020-06-01 18:30:01
>>quickp+nv
Why would anyone be a second-mover if the first-mover lost the case? There's still no precedent to build off of.
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