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1. hirund+x4[view] [source] 2020-05-31 15:30:24
>>dsr12+(OP)
The protests were sparked by the lack of accountability of the police resulting in police brutality. The violent people among the protesters are subject to the same incentives. The more they expect to be held accountable, the more likely they will refrain from violence.

Anonymizing photos of the violent ones is therefore likely to support their actions by making accountability less likely. To scrub ethically, limit it to the non-violent protestors. To support non-violence, better to help identify the violent people -- police or civilian -- the opposite of anonymizing them.

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2. michae+a7[view] [source] 2020-05-31 15:52:35
>>hirund+x4
Given that this is a protest about cops getting away with brutality even when there's clear evidence I think "gather evidence against both sides equally" is unlikely to be convincing argument to protesters.
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3. eanzen+Er[view] [source] 2020-05-31 18:42:13
>>michae+a7
“Getting away with”

Who is getting away with what? They are under arrest right now. Or do you want them dragged through the streets?

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4. jlokie+Vv[view] [source] 2020-05-31 19:16:17
>>eanzen+Er
> They are under arrest right now.

One of the four officers is charged.

With a lesser charge than some are calling for (third-degree instead of first-degree murder).

I don't think the other three officers are under arrest right now. Some people regard them as involved and getting off too lightly so far.

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5. cheald+SB[view] [source] 2020-05-31 20:01:47
>>jlokie+Vv
First-degree is premeditated. Third-degree is depraved-heart ("murder as a result of callous disregard for the value of life"). What evidence supports a first-degree charge? If you want him to walk, charge him with first-degree. Good luck proving premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. The depraved-heart charge is a slam dunk, and is clearly the right one if you actually want justice.
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6. rland+mx1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 05:55:48
>>cheald+SB
First degree does require prior intent, but it can be in a very short period of time (minutes, or even seconds). Basically, if you can stop and think about what you're doing at any point and prevent the murder, you can be convicted of 1st degree murder for having carried it through.

I think there could be a pretty compelling 1st degree case there, since the officer had Floyd's neck under his knee for so long. He could have stopped the assault at any point.

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7. cheald+fJ1[view] [source] 2020-06-01 08:55:13
>>rland+mx1
I understand that, but the prosecutor would have to prove that Chauvin decided he was going to kill Floyd, rather than that he was heartless and ignored the pleas of a man in distress. The latter is in the bag, done, slam dunk. The former is much harder to prove. If the AG thinks he can prove first, he can always add the charge, but it's just good sense to do the initial charge on the slam dunk offense, especially when they needed to get an arrest and charge on the books to calm the rioters.
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