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1. Animat+L2[view] [source] 2020-05-26 05:56:47
>>elsewh+(OP)
I can see worrying about harassment. "Inclusivity", though? (From the tone of the press release, they mean race and gender, not article subjects.) Wikipedia editors are anonymous unless they don't want to be. How can anyone tell?
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2. Siempr+C6[view] [source] 2020-05-26 06:38:24
>>Animat+L2
By choice of topics primarily?

Wikipedia has some severe biases when it comes to what and who counts as notable. For instance, you can compare ”programming pattern” and ”knitting pattern” and try to guess which is a 50 year practice and which is as old as civilization...

That sort of topic bias is best solved by adding new contributors, but they will intrinsically have to be different sorts of persons, and historically that difference has caused issues for the newcomers: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/us/wikipedia-harassment-w...

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3. roenxi+rg[view] [source] 2020-05-26 08:40:42
>>Siempr+C6
The last edit to the Knitting article at the time of writing is 24 September 2019‎, and the page doesn't seem to have any sort of edit protection enabled. I'm confident Wikipedia's policies aren't the major issue holding back a flood of knitting-oriented contributors. The people involved in knitting probably just aren't heavy internet users.

As for the lurking culture war and worrying about the word 'inclusivity' it is hard to imagine a less important issue. Wikipedia is one of the most structurally democratic organisations on the entire planet, and possibly the knowledge accumulating enterprise most resistant to social pigeonholing of its members. Even I could literally copy their software and content and rehost the whole thing if I don't like how the project is run. The Wikimedia Foundation can do whatever it thinks is best; good luck to them. There is no reasonable problem here, even for the paranoid.

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4. dusted+fA[view] [source] 2020-05-26 11:51:19
>>roenxi+rg
> The people involved in knitting probably just aren't heavy internet users.

Or MAYBE the Internet is structured in such a way that knitters are systematically discouraged from participating? Maybe non-knitters are getting favourable treatment?

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5. edanm+GC[view] [source] 2020-05-26 12:08:41
>>dusted+fA
Can you explain what you mean by that? In what way is the Internet "structured" to discourage knitters from contributing to Wikipedia?
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6. dusted+5F[view] [source] 2020-05-26 12:26:13
>>edanm+GC
Ah, there were two questions: First, yes, I can explain that, it was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the whole debate on inclusivity, if some domain has fewer of some category of people in it, it must be due to structural exclusion (unless the minority is men, then it's a great victory for equality).

The second question: No, I cannot explain how the Internet is structured to discourage knitters to contributing, just like I can't explain how STEM or tech jobs are supposed to be structured to exclude women.. Except, from my educations, there were _ZERO_ women from the start, so somehow, even before education started, they must have been structurally excluded, it's the only explanation, next to "the females didn't apply", which is entirely too reasonable to be true, especially considering that it's not even serving any political agenda.

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7. edanm+FF[view] [source] 2020-05-26 12:31:08
>>dusted+5F
OK. I didn't realize you were being tongue-in-cheek.
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