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1. mynega+Y8[view] [source] 2020-04-26 20:13:24
>>qqqqqu+(OP)
Why tardigrades are so hardy, how their biology is so different?

How immune system and medications work.

Why some plastics are recyclable and others are not.

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2. salawa+OL[view] [source] 2020-04-27 02:06:58
>>mynega+Y8
>Tardigrades: No comment.

>The immune system: The most awesome thing ever.

It's actually two systems. One called the innate that we have in common with most forms of complex life, and the adaptive immune system, something we've only seen manifested in jawed vertebrates.

The innate immune system is a set of cellular signals/behaviors that are triggered by cells being exposed to damage and or stress.

These responses are generalized. Just about anything odd can invoke them, so they are typically the first line of defense. These include things like alteration of permeability of the local extracellular matrix (swelling), formation of impermeable tissue barriers to isolate damage (cysting, compartmentalization), and setting up signaling molecule gradients that attract phagocytic/cytotoxic cells to the terminate anomalous cellular activity/clean up the place (macrophage attraction), and alteration of metabolic activity to generate thermal stress (fever).

The issue with the general immune system though, is that it's non-specificity and versatility makes it a bit like a sledgehammer in the context of a complex organism. It can do as much or more damage as it can do good, and it isn't that good at only eradicating the exact thing causing the issue without excessive collateral damage.

Enter the adaptive immune system. The adaptive immune system is composed of various cell lines, and organ systems all specialized into dealing with specific facets of an immune response, and mediated through a set of special cellular surface receptors.

The facets of the adaptive immune response are: antigen recognition, coordination, moderation, and memory.

The major cell lines are T and B cells. T cells are further broken down into cytotoxic T, and helper T cells.

The adaptive immune system starts with naive lymphocytes. These cells rapidly multiply randomizing the ever loving crap out the region of the genome dedicated to the MHC receptor. By doing this, it'll cause the receptor to fold in ways that will allow it to bind with certain types of antigen (think of it as the antigen's key fitting the Mac's lock.) This proves of new receptor generation is mediated by the Thymus. The thymus tests every new variant to see whether there is any sensitivity to proteins that may expressed in other parts of the body. If it finds that to be the case, itinduces that particular cell to suicide to prevent the proliferation of immune cell lines with a high chance of being prone to autoimmunity. Those that survive are allowed to move out into the lymphatic and circulatory systems to patrol for their particular antigen. Upon meeting it, a few things happen. First off, the immune cell can help kick off or amplify a general immune response. Secondly, signaling proteins are released to attract more leukocytes to the area. Third, an antigen bearing cell will migrate toward the Thymus to recruit more immune cells. Once an antigen presenting helper T cell binds with a compatible B or Cytotoxic T cell line, that cell line undergoes massive replication without further modifying it's receptor, and the helper T cell does likewise.

B cells will create and secrete antibodies. Small snippets of protein that will bind to and foul up the workings of the antigen to which the are sensitive.

Cytotoxic T cells will patrol for and engulf antigen it encounters, either breaking it down with a burst of oxidative substances, or if the antigen is detected being presented on a cellular membrane protein, and a helper T cell is near by to enable the response, a cytotoxic T cell can induce cell death of an antigen presenting cell, but with much greater specificity and numbers than the mechanism used by macrophages. Once the cell death takes place, the cell will either clean up the remains, or attract macrophages to do so while it heads off for the next target.

The cytotoxic T cells are handicapped in their destructive potential by the need for a nearby Helper T cell. B cells just shotgun anti-antigens into the blood stream.

>Medications: oh dear God askapharmacologist. The closest I have committed to memory, is that most pharmaceuticalsarea veryspecifically formulated chemical intended to be able to be absorbed without difficulty, being capable of making their way to a target area in the body, modified to an active form by enzymes in the body to do their thing before eventually getting degraded and excreted by more of the same.

Plastics: no comment.

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3. ramraj+k31[view] [source] 2020-04-27 06:15:36
>>salawa+OL
Thanks for a detailed writeup, which seems for the most part in agreement with my understanding technically. But then you kinda tried to summarize janeways in a few paragraphs, and that means no one who doesn't already know immunology is going to find it helpful. In fact, Janeway itself tries to summarize their book in the first chapter and that chapter goes on for 50 pages iirc.

Some fundamental concepts that might fly over someone without a biology degree might include the absolutely fundamental requirement of protein binding for any biological process (akin to a transistors function for a computing device).

I'm thinking that step one of communicating the entire immune systems complexity is probably omission, of anything that's not absolutely required for comprehension of the basic concept. In that regard I'm not convinced there's any need for bringing up the innate system first (there's a reason we discovered it quite recently, perhaps?). Other details can also be similarly "omitted" for simplicity perhaps. What are your thoughts?

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4. salawa+hK2[view] [source] 2020-04-27 20:44:26
>>ramraj+k31
I haven't heard of Janeway's, and I apologize for the lack of proofreading. The immune system is one of the most fascinating things I've ever deep dived into. So I can get a bit ramble when the chance to ramble occurs.

There are so many odd facets of it with interesting implications; like did you know exposure to sex hormones actually contributes to the atrophy of the Thymus over time? This is posited to have some relation to the increased likelyhood of developing autoimmunity 0roblems as we get older.

Also, not all T cell lines undergo adverse selection in the Thymus. There is a smaller population of more autoimmune sensitive cells that develop and specialize in the extremities. It is theorized this is evolutionary selected for because there is a tradeoff between being able to develop to a wide variety of pathogens, and being free of auto immunity. So you keep a small group of possibly autoreactivr immunity cell lines just in case. This is theorized to explain the prevalence of autoimmunity issues in the extremities being relatively common.

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