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1. pc+P7[view] [source] 2020-04-21 17:42:32
>>mtlync+(OP)
Stripe cofounder here. The question raised ("Is Stripe collecting this data for advertising?") can be readily answered in the negative. This data has never been, would never be, and will never be sold/rented/etc. to advertisers.

Stripe.js collects this data only for fraud prevention -- it helps us detect bots who try to defraud businesses that use Stripe. (CAPTCHAs use similar techniques but result in more UI friction.) Stripe.js is part of the ML stack that helps us stop literally millions of fraudulent payments per day and techniques like this help us block fraud more effectively than almost anything else on the market. Businesses that use Stripe would lose a lot more money if it didn't exist. We see this directly: some businesses don't use Stripe.js and they are often suddenly and unpleasantly surprised when attacked by sophisticated fraud rings.

If you don't want to use Stripe.js, you definitely don't have to (or you can include it only on a minimal checkout page) -- it just depends how much PCI burden and fraud risk you'd like to take on.

We will immediately clarify the ToS language that makes this ambiguous. We'll also put up a clearer page about Stripe.js's fraud prevention.

(Updated to add: further down in this thread, fillskills writes[1]: "As someone who saw this first hand, Stripe’s fraud detection really works. Fraudulent transactions went down from ~2% to under 0.5% on hundreds of thousands of transactions per month. And it very likely saved our business at a very critical phase." This is what we're aiming for (and up against) with Stripe Radar and Stripe.js, and why we work on these technologies.)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22938141

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2. neop1x+ST[view] [source] 2020-04-21 23:06:23
>>pc+P7
It's like installing anti-cheating rootkit to windows kernel. It's like recording your voice, taking retina scan, requiring you to take off your clothes and bugging a GPS device on you before swiping a card in a physical shop. How can it be possibly OK? For fraud prevention? Yes, if every customer were under 24/7 surveilence, there wouldn't be frauds (nor terrorists). Unless they were too smart to hack all the devices and fake the data. It is very wrong and there is no way it can be justified to monitor all URLs and mouse movements before the payment. Having javascript available doesn't mean you are allowed use it for spying on customers! Black Mirror in real life. It will get worse if people accept this and agree with this. Quite sad. :(
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