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1. natfri+V2[view] [source] 2020-04-14 16:19:39
>>ig0r0+(OP)
Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Everyone at GitHub is really excited about this announcement, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

We've wanted to make this change for the last 18 months, but needed our Enterprise business to be big enough to enable the free use of GitHub by the rest of the world. I'm happy to say that it's grown dramatically in the last year, and so we're able to make GitHub free for teams that don't need Enterprise features.

We also retained our Team pricing plan for people who need email support (and a couple of other features like code owners).

In general we think that every developer on earth should be able to use GitHub for their work, and so it is great to remove price as a barrier.

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2. Gordon+di[view] [source] 2020-04-14 17:27:02
>>natfri+V2
Hi Nat, with Microsoft now owning Github, I'm really curious to know what the future holds for both Azure DevOps and Github?

I'm a user of both - Github for OSS, and Azure DevOps for private work. IMO, these areas are where they are best suited - pipelines in particular are really powerful in Azure DevOps, and user/permission management, AAD integration and integration with build agents are all excellent.

I really like Azure DevOps, but all this has me worried about it's future - do you know if it's going to continue to exist and be developed in tandem with Github?

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3. natfri+Ow[view] [source] 2020-04-14 18:31:57
>>Gordon+di
Both products have a bright future and millions of users, and so we're continuing to invest in both for the foreseeable future. We're also finding ways to improve integration between them, so people can use them together if they want to. GitHub Actions reuses a bunch of code from Pipelines under the hood, for example.
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4. pknopf+5E[view] [source] 2020-04-14 19:06:39
>>natfri+Ow
I get that you guys want to say that publicly, but let's be real. No company would invest a massive amount of money in a duplicate product. One product will eventually starve.

I guess it is up to us to guess. Anyone?

I see GitHub being the unmovable giant here. Microsoft is publicly developing on it, as opposed to Azure Dev Ops. It has a very large mind-share. More developers are willing to use it without having the Microsoft stigma that some nix people feel.

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5. popinm+uN[view] [source] 2020-04-14 19:58:36
>>pknopf+5E
ADO is widely used inside Microsoft, with a variety of internal extensions to integrate with our internal build & deployment solutions.

AFAIK, there aren't any plans in Azure to give up ADO in favor of GitHub. If anything, with the push to standardize builds internally, it wouldn't make sense to move to GitHub for at least another 2-5 years.

Obviously, I don't speak for my employer and leadership may have other directions in mind.

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6. tracke+9W[view] [source] 2020-04-14 20:47:03
>>popinm+uN
Even then... I don't expect Github actions to go away any time soon. I would expect a lot of the underlying systems, build agents and workers to be the same over time though.

Azure DevOps and Github largely cover different, though overlapping market segments.

I would be slightly more concerned about Github Enterprise and Devops co-mingling over time, as I think that may be inevitable, which makes me concerned over the public/free resources that Github offers in the long run... even then, migrating to Gitlab is an option should that time come. My only hope would be better discoverability and social coding with Gitlab to better match Github over the interim time.

Even then, it's just a possibility and somewhat unlikely that MS would burn this much karma.

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