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>>whoish+(OP)
Mike,

Can you speak to the concerns raised about Yodlee [1] in contrast to similar concerns raised about Jumpshot [2] which resulted in the entire company being shut down last week [3].

How much of Second Measure's business model depends upon the continued availability of Yodlee data?

[1] https://thehill.com/policy/technology/478766-lawmakers-call-...

[2] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v744v9/senator-ron-wyden-...

[3] https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxejbb/avast-antivirus-is...

>>altdat+L11
That's off topic in Who Is Hiring threads. Please see the rules at the top.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22228715.

>>dang+4b4
How is this posting to complain?

It's a question about a potential existential threat in the form of recent regulatory scrutiny.

>>mmt+uG4
As with all of HN's rules, you need to understand that rule from the spirit and not just the letter of the law. The intention is to avoid general prosecution of everything/anything about a company, because hiring posts are not a good context for that. Otherwise what happens in a large, open forum like HN is that simply the appearance of a name begins to attract every grievance or accusation or concern that's floating out there.

Some of those grievances, accusations, and concerns are surely valid. But sometimes they're the one-sided productions of disgruntled internet commenters—I can tell you from long experience that there's a lot of that out there too. And it's often not easy to tell the difference.

What tools does an internet forum have to adjudicate such things? Mostly just thorough discussion and debate by the community. That may or may not bring out the whole story and a fair conclusion; even in the optimal context there's no guarantee that such a discussion will arrive at the truth or rise above the level of a mob piling on. But what's clear is that a "Who Is Hiring" thread is just a terrible context for that sort of cage match. Hence the rule that we just don't go there.

>>dang+UZ4
The problem here is there's no way to know the "spirit" without knowledge of its history.

Why not just say what you mean, instead? If the desire is "no replies that are or might spark a controversy", then why doesn't the rule say that?

Better yet, go all the way and forbid replies entirely. That achieves the same stifling of conversation, in this one context where it's deemed "terrible", without the enforcement that can seem capricious and arbitrary (as you say yourself, "it's often not easy to tell the difference") and can needlessly shame an otherwise well-intentioned commenter.

>>mmt+kM5
I get that you feel strongly against this rule and how we choose to moderate the Who Is Hiring threads. But we've been over this at least three times, for over a year now, and I'm not sure what else to say. I don't see anything new to respond to here. You just strongly disagree. That's fine; I understand your argument and it's a good one; it's just not as strong, in my mind, as the opposite consideration. It's my job to make this call, so I've made it. Continuing to prosecute the case is unhelpful, and escalating like you've just been doing is particularly so.

>>dang+13a
I do disagree with the rule, but I fear you're having a knee-jerk reaction either to me or to any criticism of the rule and thereby missing my point, which I don't believe you've addressed at all:

If you can explain in a short, simple sentence what the broader purpose of the rule is, then do so in the rule itself. Brevity may be the soul of wit but, but I expect a higher standard than rule wittiness from HN. The https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html do this fine.

Wouldn't you rather have compliance than enforcement?