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1. Admira+md[view] [source] 2019-07-16 14:27:37
>>tech-h+(OP)
I thought this story had already been reported a month ago. But no, I was wrong, that was the other organizer of the Google Protests, Claire Stapleton:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/07/google-wa...

So to clarify, both of the female Google employees who lead/organized the protests have now left because they say they faced retaliation. That looks very bad for Google.

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2. dmix+Zd[view] [source] 2019-07-16 14:30:57
>>Admira+md
What retaliation have they faced from Google exactly?
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3. Admira+ne[view] [source] 2019-07-16 14:33:22
>>dmix+Zd
https://www.wired.com/story/google-walkout-organizers-say-th...

>In a message posted to many internal Google mailing lists Monday, Meredith Whittaker, who leads Google’s Open Research, said that after the company disbanded its external AI ethics council on April 4, she was told that her role would be “changed dramatically.” Whittaker said she was told that, in order to stay at the company, she would have to “abandon” her work on AI ethics and her role at AI Now Institute, a research center she cofounded at New York University.

>Claire Stapleton, another walkout organizer and a 12-year veteran of the company, said in the email that two months after the protest she was told she would be demoted from her role as marketing manager at YouTube and lose half her reports. After escalating the issue to human resources, she said she faced further retaliation. “My manager started ignoring me, my work was given to other people, and I was told to go on medical leave, even though I’m not sick,” Stapleton wrote. After she hired a lawyer, the company conducted an investigation and seemed to reverse her demotion. “While my work has been restored, the environment remains hostile and I consider quitting nearly every day,” she wrote.

Both are now gone.

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4. pgeorg+1g[view] [source] 2019-07-16 14:43:18
>>Admira+ne
> who leads Google’s Open Research

The only trace I can find of that group/team/whatever is that she leads^Wled it. What does it do?

> in order to stay at the company, she would have to “abandon” her work on AI ethics and her role at AI Now Institute, a research center she cofounded at New York University.

So side gigs need approval, and if there's a conflict of interest (such as: preventing your employer from building something that looks similar to your side gig) you'll be asked which side you're on. Sounds pretty normal to me.

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5. _jal+gk[view] [source] 2019-07-16 15:09:23
>>pgeorg+1g
> Sounds pretty normal to me.

That's the thing about retaliation. Unless the retaliator is really bad at this, it is always going to look gray-area, because you're shading available policy to reach a desired outcome.

You want to do it that way precisely because it plays on some peoples' preconceptions, completely aside from not breaking black-letter law.

A lot of folks will see a enviable company, assume the Powers that Be must get most of it right, and assume the person they already knew was a troublemaker (they were contradicting their betters, weren't they?) was also bad at their job.

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