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1. module+Zm[view] [source] 2019-06-14 18:59:47
>>furcyd+(OP)
> If YouTube won’t remove the algorithm, it must, at the very least, make significant changes

It must? No, it doesn't have to do a damn thing. It's a product from a publicly traded company, therefore it "must" return value for stockholders. That means more behavior that increases ad revenue. The author is out of touch with reality. Stop feeding your kids youtube if you don't want them exposed to youtube. It's a private service(youtube), not a public park.

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2. drewbu+qu[view] [source] 2019-06-14 19:53:40
>>module+Zm
> It must? No, it doesn't have to do a damn thing.

Subject to the laws of the jurisdiction in which it operates, of course. We could - if we so wanted - pass laws to regulate this behavior. That is perhaps the best option, in my own opinion.

> It's a product from a publicly traded company, therefore it "must" return value for stockholders.

The dogma that it "must" return value for shareholders is not an absolute rule[1]; rather it's a set of market expectations and some decisions from Delaware (which have an outsize impact on business law) that encourage it. But it's not required. In fact, many states allow a type of corporation that specifically and directly allows directors to pursue non-shareholder-value goals - the benefit corporation[2].

> The author is out of touch with reality.

Please re-read the HN guidelines[3].

> Stop feeding your kids youtube if you don't want them exposed to youtube. It's a private service(youtube), not a public park.

This is the doctrine of "caveat emptor," essentially - that a consumer is ultimately responsible for all behavior. However, a wealth of regulation exists because that's unworkable in practice. The FDA and the EPA come to mind, but we also regulate concepts like "false advertising." Your stance here ignores the realities of life in service of ideological purism.

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20190327123200/https://www.washin...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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3. Nasrud+wz[view] [source] 2019-06-14 20:38:19
>>drewbu+qu
No we cannot pass laws that do that no matter how indignant we may be. The whole bloody point of the constitution is that no matter how pissed off the majority (or "the majority" which is just a noisy minority as it may be) is that you cannot simply legislate away rights.

The vague "do something!" regulation push has all of the marks of a moral panic and all participants should slap themselves hard enough to leave a mark and repeat "It is never too import to be rational."

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