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>>jashke+(OP)
Rich Hickey has given so much to the world of software and systems design. The value exchange has most likely not been reciprocal. Nor has it been sufficiently respectful, based on this message. People like Rich that give so much are rare. And people that understand how to respectfully recognize that seem to be becoming more rare.

Of course, one can remember that life is not fair, and people are often shitty even without being conscious of it, and that Rich has freely chosen to pursue this path.

But this leads me to a few questions: If you agree with what I have written above, and what Rich has written in this message, then how can we tip the scales just a little bit further towards respect and reciprocation? What kind of gestures, gifts, and generosities do you think are appropriate? What improved efforts to educate consumers of open source software would be effective? Further still, what kind of culture do we want?

>>concep+b6
It seems strange to me that you're so concerned with how we should try to be more respectful to Rich given the querulous and disdainful tone of his post.

>>brianp+2E
I didn’t read disdain at all, so I’m interested in which parts tickled your disdain detector.

>>cellul+SF
Mainly:

> As a user of something open source you are not thereby entitled to anything at all. You are not entitled to contribute. You are not entitled to features. You are not entitled to the attention of others. You are not entitled to having value attached to your complaints. You are not entitled to this explanation.

Also see my response on the gist itself:

https://gist.github.com/richhickey/1563cddea1002958f96e7ba95...

Feel free to use my HN comment as an upvote/downvote proxy since gist doesn't support upthumbs/downthumbs on comments.

>>brianp+hH
Thanks for being one of the few voices of humanity in this exchange. This whole situation just feels.. icky.. to me. I wish I knew what long term effects Rich's statement will have on the community, but I can't help but think that it will probably verge towards the opposite of embracing diverse viewpoints. That makes me quite sad.

>>firepo+y71
Rich is very quick to escalate from “I feel X about action Y” to “you are Z”, where Z is negative.

Example, people are frustrated about how Rich runs his project. They are expressing how they feel about Rich’s actions, which is fair. Rich is under no obligation to change, but Rich’s response is to call people entitled. This is an attack against the person, not against the action, and it’s a chilling escalation.

Also, the fans cheer him on, which is gross.