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1. pdeuch+zb[view] [source] 2018-09-28 18:02:14
>>colone+(OP)
Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again.

Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to take a paycheck from Facebook even in the face of constant and horrific evidence of wholesale ethical violations and negligence.

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2. chroni+mq[view] [source] 2018-09-28 19:48:10
>>pdeuch+zb
So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors - from oil to finance to pharmaceutical to telecommunications and so on. And we can include the government. If you're a subcontrator or sold in body rental (modern IT slavery) you're also in the same position as an employee, so you're enabling their evils. Also, if one of those companies is a client of your company you're also enabling them (or a client of a client of your company? How many layers of separation should exist between you and Walmart before you stop being an accomplice in enabling their abuse of workers?).

Your point? Should we stop working in IT and go back to the fields?

Also, I fear that HN somewhat forgets the world is not SF, in Europe going to work for Facebook/Google/Amazon is a enormous bump (we're speaking 2-4x) of salary for many people, which in some cases means you can buy an house after 3-4 years even with the crazy rents back in your home country - and that's HUGE. Why should those people spend their time slaving as a subcontractor for yet another TLC/bank trying to squeeze their customers dry at the first occasion while getting 25% the salary and zero benefits? Are those less evil?

What needs to happen is that people keep applying pressure so facebook is forced to adapt its business model even if it hits their bottom line - which is already happening apparently.

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3. NeedMo+et[view] [source] 2018-09-28 20:08:51
>>chroni+mq
I'm sure "but it pays well" is the rationale used to self-justify many morally dubious through to outright immoral and illegal acts.

Doesn't improve the validity of the position though.

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4. joelx+6u[view] [source] 2018-09-28 20:15:54
>>NeedMo+et
Nation states (China and Russia) are backing a massive PR campaign against tools that they can't control... Hence these major attacks lately and all the hate for Facebook and Google. In reality, those tech companies are enormously more ethical than Baidu or Alibaba or almost any mainstream alternatives... And compared to companies oil, gun, drug, tobacco, alcohol and most others, Facebook and Google are saints.
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5. roblab+xA[view] [source] 2018-09-28 21:09:36
>>joelx+6u
Can we get proof of this supposed massive PR campaign? You can't just shoo away several real, well-documented, massive breach of trust from Facebook with "well it's the Russians". The hate Facebook is getting comes from them being negligent about user data, and they were well-aware of the problem.
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6. joelx+NE[view] [source] 2018-09-28 21:51:15
>>roblab+xA
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-helped-reveal-china...

There are hundreds of more similar articles documenting hacking by China and Russia. The data breach at the parent of this article even is supposed to have been done by a coordinated nation states. How can a company ever compete against a nations resources? Expecting Facebook to magically secure themselves against attacks by a nation is wishful thinking. If you want to stop breaches like this, the nation's that are doing it must be held accountable. Facebook is an easy target, but that's just attacking the victim. China and Russia are much more intimidating but are the ones who are the true perpetrators.

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7. roblab+OG[view] [source] 2018-09-28 22:12:45
>>joelx+NE
> Mandiant says the hackers would log in to Facebook, Twitter, and Gmail from infected computers. Once logged in, they would send the spearfishing attacks which were the basis of their espionage.

This is a spearfishing attack... That's a totally different beast. Let me look at the gross mishandling of data that facebook had recently:

Remember the Cambridge Analitica scandal? That wasn't a hack. That was facebook deliberately letting apps access user data like it was candy, because that's what facebook does. It was done on purpose. Of course, they didn't expect someone to scrape the whole network at that scale, so it wasn't fully intentional. Still, it was absolutely gross negligence, and is absolutely a breach of trust that happened outside of external government interference: https://www.vox.com/2018/3/20/17138756/facebook-data-breach-...

What about the recent scandal revolving around the use of 2FA SMS numbers being used for ad targeting? Against, this isn't Russia coming in and hacking facebook. This is Facebook shooting themselves in the foot with a bazooka. They should have been aware that, when a user enters their phone number for 2FA, they expect it to be used for this feature and this feature only. Not for ad targeting, not for notifications. Again, facebook breached that trust. No outside interference, just facebook being either lazy, irresponsible, and incompetent around user data: https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/28/facebook-ad-targeting-2fa/

There are many other cases like the above. Facebook doesn't need china to attract hate. They can fuck things up by themselves well enough.

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