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1. alexan+Ot[view] [source] 2018-02-15 14:56:17
>>andren+(OP)
To get a little meta:

I think discussions like these make progress, but very slow progress. I think the root of the issue for many people is more than factual at this point, it's become emotional for both sides. And I think progress will come when both sides can get a handle on their frustrations and then articulate their feelings gracefully.

At the end of the day, I think only a very small percentage of people commenting here care too much about what a new study finds. I don't think it will move many viewpoints.

So I think I'll propose a template for resolving this conflict (a longshot, I know).

Pursuit of agreement:

A) Do I want to understand the feelings of the people I'm talking to? If not, don't expect progress.

B) Do I want to understand my personal feelings? Do I recognize why this topic is emotional to me, why I'm spending my Thursday morning arguing this?

C) Do I see how tangential the connection is between my feelings and the article at hand?

D) Do I care about reaching a point of agreement, or is my motivation more around rewarding myself/punishing others?

E) Am I willing to describe my feelings/worries/motivations without using emotionally charged-words?

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2. fwdpro+mE[view] [source] 2018-02-15 16:09:56
>>alexan+Ot
Why is it accepted that feelings should be relevant here? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely open to listen to your response to that.

To paraphrase Data O'Briain, "zombies are at an all-time low but the fear of zombies could be incredibly high, doesn't mean we should have government policies to deal with the fear of zombies": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zopCDSK69gs

If we're getting meta, I think that the first thing that should be discussed is: What are we optimizing for, and how do we measure it?

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3. ihsw2+Iy1[view] [source] 2018-02-15 23:10:34
>>fwdpro+mE
We are optimizing for the minimization of outrage from mainstream and social media. There's not much else to go on.
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4. fwdpro+RW2[view] [source] 2018-02-16 17:26:18
>>ihsw2+Iy1
Why? Who cares? Shouldn't we be optimizing towards everyone having at least the chance to do the thing they like for a living, or something along those lines?
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