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>>jaffat+(OP)
As an iOS user, I'm actually quite glad that websites can't send me push notifications on it. And app loading screens are a feature?

If people _insist_ on making phone apps as websites, there's Cordova and all that. Such apps are never very good, of course. I still haven't seen a website-based desktop/phone app that wasn't a clunky non-native-looking resource-hogging mess.

>>rsynno+E4
That exact argument can be applied to native apps. Should native apps have push notifications removed?

Why not? Because they can actually be extremely useful. Such as for receiving emails, Facebook messages, Slack pings, or news updates you've subscribed to. Maybe somebody tweeted you. Any of these apps could work as progressive webapps.

Regardless if the platform is native or web-based, the feature remains opt-in. If you don't want them, then don't subscribe to them.

>>Square+Ka
Yes but supporting the feature encourages developers to make web apps. Why would you want to encourage that?

>>interp+rb
Why wouldn't you want that? PWAs are seamless (no downloading/installing), allow native features, can be saved offline for later, run in a secure sandbox, and are completely open and cross-platform.

>>Square+bd
I'm pretty sure it boils down to "we're fancy iOS users who want nothing to do with those peasants over in the Android world". It seems like the majority of the comments opposing web apps oppose them because they're cross-platform and not written specifically for their chosen platform, which is a very silly stance to have.

There are some more coherent arguments in play, don't get me wrong (in particular, the argument that web apps are a bastardization of what the World Wide Web was intended to be for; I agree with that wholeheartedly), but a lot of the rhetoric around here really reeks of elitism.

>>yellow+ng
I'm an Android user, and I don't want these either. Mainly because they don't integrate with the native look & feel of the platform. And when a dev tries to, then inevitably make it look like iOS, and ignores Android look & feel.

"It seems like the majority of the comments opposing web apps oppose them because they're cross-platform and not written specifically for their chosen platform, which is a very silly stance to have."

But it's not. By not being written specifically for the platform, everyone is just getting a least common denominator approach. Nobody is getting anything that integrates with their platform. Nobody is getting anything that embraces what makes the platform special, or good.

"but a lot of the rhetoric around here really reeks of elitism."

No, it's more that we want developers to actually make an effort to embrace the platform they're trying to work on. And, quite frankly, use something that's not JavaScript. Learn a second language.