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1. jaffat+66[view] [source] 2017-07-27 12:13:44
>>jaffat+(OP)
Safari engineers have attended all service worker working group meetings, and they do contribute. However, I do share the frustrations over transparency.

It's tough to get developers to care about things like offline-first, because it's tough for them to convince managers to allow them to spend time on a feature that won't work on iOS (since it won't work in Safari, and Apple has banned other browser engines on their platform).

Ultimately it's users that lose out but also the web as a platform, as it pushes people, like the author of the article, towards walled-garden solutions like native apps.

Apple is looking for service worker use-cases, so if it's something you're interested in, let them know https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2017-July/0292....

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2. crypti+5b[view] [source] 2017-07-27 13:01:58
>>jaffat+66
This is not surprising of Apple. They've always been a walled garden, that's why I don't buy their products. I like to own products that give me full control as a user.

When the iPod came out, I never understood why I couldn't just drag the music files directly onto the device and I had to get iTunes and use iTune's tedious interface.

Now they have the app store; another unnecessary restriction. As a developer, it's nice to own an Android phone because I can just run whatever code I want on it and I don't need to buy any special licenses, hardware or proprietary SDKs to do that.

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3. mrkrab+Ng[view] [source] 2017-07-27 13:46:47
>>crypti+5b
>When the iPod came out, I never understood why I couldn't just drag the music files directly onto the device and I had to get iTunes and use iTune's tedious interface.

Because MTP is utter rubbish.

Really, people complain about iTunes? It's never failed me as slow as it is. Try using MTP...

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4. anc84+8j[view] [source] 2017-07-27 14:02:03
>>mrkrab+Ng
NO one said anything about MTP. Copying files > anything.
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5. mrkrab+nj[view] [source] 2017-07-27 14:03:03
>>anc84+8j
Copying files... how? Emulating a FAT32 disk? That sucks. exFAT? Patents. MTP? Sucks. So how?
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6. TeMPOr+Zn[view] [source] 2017-07-27 14:30:40
>>mrkrab+nj
What's wrong with emulating a FAT32 disk?

I mean, the expected workflow is: I hook up the device to the computer, it shows up as a storage medium in my system. I can move files between the device and my computer as if it was an external disk or USB drive.

Anything on top of that is designed to be annoying.

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7. emsy+xw[view] [source] 2017-07-27 15:25:43
>>TeMPOr+Zn
FAT32 is a terribly outdated filesystem and should just not be used today, period. The filesize and name restrictions are awful. Mrkrabo does have a point.
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8. TeMPOr+qy[view] [source] 2017-07-27 15:38:37
>>emsy+xw
The question about FAT32 was honest; thanks for the explanation. The rest of the comment (presenting storage in a normal, non-surprising way) is separate, and still stands.
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9. emsy+v61[view] [source] 2017-07-27 19:08:02
>>TeMPOr+qy
Yeah, that's what irks me the most about iOS. Their whole idea of "the filesystem is an outdated concept" just never worked out and they refuse to give up on it. The greatest lie is that your iPad Pro can replace a PC, but you can't easily copy files from and to a flash drive. In the meantime, my wife's Surface accepts USB hardware just fine and she doesn't have to rely on awkward workarounds to get things done.
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