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1. hmage+b4[view] [source] 2015-10-27 15:26:26
>>chei0a+(OP)
Yes yes, everyone should move to MCST Elbrus :D
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2. nickps+OJ[view] [source] 2015-10-27 21:10:13
>>hmage+b4
No, use Gaisler's stuff:

http://www.gaisler.com/index.php/products/ipcores/soclibrary

Also SPARC but with plenty GPL. Has a quad-core, too, with all of them designed to be easily modified and re-synthesized. :)

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3. e12e+v41[view] [source] 2015-10-28 01:54:58
>>nickps+OJ
There are a few of these (open architectures) - but does anyone know how much (ballpark) it'd cost to make something like the Raspberry Pi 2 (ie: a full SoC, with gig ethernet, usb, hdmi, sata) support? Say 10.000 units?

I'm assuming it'd be expensive, as it doesn't appear anyone's doing it...

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4. alexfo+Yb1[view] [source] 2015-10-28 04:54:29
>>e12e+v41
Several million dollars. Everything is extremely expensive - IP licenses, ASIC layout software licenses, simulation and verification software and possibly hardware, mask costs, line setup costs, wafer production costs, packaging costs, testing costs, etc.
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5. e12e+Kd1[view] [source] 2015-10-28 05:45:54
>>alexfo+Yb1
Ip licences for gpled cpu cores and schemas? Several million doesn't sound that bad. Means that the bar moves to 100k rather than 10k units (if the goal is to break even in the short term). And it's tricky to sell 20k units/year for five years, as the cost to upgrade (clock, ram) would probably be in the same ballbark aa initial investment.?
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6. alexfo+Ho2[view] [source] 2015-10-28 21:23:32
>>e12e+Kd1
IP licenses for things like analog clock management components/PLLs, analog Ethernet PHYs, analog serializers and deserializers for HDMI, SATA, USB 3, etc. These are all mixed-signal components. I am not aware of any open source designs for any of these for modern ASIC targets. Most open source designs target FPGAs which already have these components built onto the FPGA itself (i.e. the open source design uses the module as a 'black box'). These will probably come in GDSII form (actual layout, not a schematic, RTL, etc.) for a specific process with a specific foundry. If you want to design those yourself, then you would have to get additional licenses for analog design and simulation suites. And you might have to re-spin a couple of times (with millions of $ in mask costs) on each targeted process technology to get the kinks worked out.
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7. e12e+iF2[view] [source] 2015-10-29 01:04:19
>>alexfo+Ho2
Thank you for clarifying. Basically I thought maybe something like:

http://opencores.org/donation

already existed - but apparently not (except for targeting FPGAs as you mention) ?

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